tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6672834250325632231.post7169455937008240879..comments2023-11-09T02:06:49.126-06:00Comments on Rancho Santa Clara: Gringolandia's joys and lamentsalcubanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12667546605871850986noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6672834250325632231.post-33949959839750640882015-06-18T17:20:52.217-05:002015-06-18T17:20:52.217-05:00Click on my name on my comment above, and it will ...Click on my name on my comment above, and it will direct you to my blog.<br />And yes, there is plenty of "esnobismo" among the D.F. elite... but then again, I supposed that can be found everywhere.Retired Teacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03697897155105288077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6672834250325632231.post-8538527012602501932015-06-18T10:13:39.673-05:002015-06-18T10:13:39.673-05:00I've had mixed responses to my blogs, reportin...I've had mixed responses to my blogs, reporting different experiences. I think there's something, maybe a log, to Gringosuelto's observation about the uppity tone of the expat community in San Miguel, and how that affects relations between Mexicans and Americans. Recently, we've been getting a large influx on Chilangos, particularly on weekends, who tend to sneer at both the gringos and the locals. Lots of BMWs, aviator glasses and designer polo shirts.<br /><br />Thanks for your comment. Let me have the address of your blog.<br /><br />Alalcubanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12667546605871850986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6672834250325632231.post-85239478144739750662015-06-17T22:24:17.922-05:002015-06-17T22:24:17.922-05:00I have to agree with Gringosuelto's comment at...I have to agree with Gringosuelto's comment at the beginning of the discussion. Over the years I have had close friends in Mexico. I have had the privilege of being invited to and even staying at the homes of Mexican families, and being included in family events.<br /><br />I don't know if you have ever seen my blog, but you might find it interesting. It chronicles my travels, including many trips to Mexico.Retired Teacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03697897155105288077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6672834250325632231.post-69742649848261179982015-06-17T10:47:25.478-05:002015-06-17T10:47:25.478-05:00You're right, I think, about the family connec...You're right, I think, about the family connections. We have been invited to a few celebrations, such as our maid's daughter's quinceañera and the shindig afterward, and to the gardener's various celebrations, such as his wedding, and his kids' birthdays. Even with more socially or economically mobile Mexicans we've known, I'm still waiting for "hey we've got some posole cooking, want to come over?", type of invitations. Stew and I are not social butterflies either, the type that have to go out every days, but it would be nice to get a call from some Mexican family, or even a Mexican gay couple, one of these days. Thank you for your comments. alcubanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12667546605871850986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6672834250325632231.post-64582011605378958332015-06-16T13:05:22.681-05:002015-06-16T13:05:22.681-05:00It's always so interesting to hear about the e...It's always so interesting to hear about the experiences of other foreign residents in Mexico. One thing that I would add, is that much of Mexican social life (at least in Yucatan, where I live) centers around extended family. So, most people's social calendars are pretty full, leaving unrelated foreigners with invitations to ''big events'' (weddings, quinceneras, baptisms), but not really integrated into everyday social life. An exception I've noticed is people who move to the area from other parts of Mexico (this is currently happening more and more in Yucatan) -- perhaps because they are far from family connections, these people are more interested in making social connections with others, and more likely to include foreigners. All that said, as a not-very-social person, I am very content with the somewhat formal, but friendly relations with my neighbors, and happy to avoid a too-busy (and sometimes competitive) social scene.mcmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11351261987086690997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6672834250325632231.post-63180642153250413522015-06-16T12:12:52.464-05:002015-06-16T12:12:52.464-05:00P.S. The blog post I mentioned is the most recent,...P.S. The blog post I mentioned is the most recent, though the one on Mexican beauty standards is one of my favorites. <br /><br />Do you mean Tlacotalpan? I've never been there, though F and I discussed it several times, and I've done a bit of research on it. As you already know, it's remote and not much decked out with the latest amenities either. Probably *very* hot this time of year. But it's a beautiful place, and the music is supposed to be unique. I hope you write about it. Saludos. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6672834250325632231.post-25850503116634051492015-06-16T12:06:52.010-05:002015-06-16T12:06:52.010-05:00Hola Al!
My blog address is embedded in my screen...Hola Al!<br /><br />My blog address is embedded in my screen name in the comment. (Just click it to get to the blog.) That said, the post I'd most want you to read is this one: https://gringosuelto.wordpress.com/2014/03/30/moreno-y-guero-in-zacatecas-some-thoughts-on-mexican-concepts-of-beauty/<br /><br />As for the "A-listers," I'm with you. I should be able to make any non-homophobic "A-list," but I recoil at the thought. <br /><br />Saludos,<br /><br />Kim Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6672834250325632231.post-29420430920580718762015-06-16T10:32:00.328-05:002015-06-16T10:32:00.328-05:00I'm going to let the new BK settle in and work...I'm going to let the new BK settle in and work out the bugs before I try their menu. If it's anything like the MacDonald's in town, it will be mobbed by young Mexicans in no time at all. <br /><br />As for money, yes only pesos circulate here, though US credit cards also are used. Whenever we can we use United Airlines Master Card because they don't charge "foreign transaction" fees and compute the exchange rate at the time of purchase. That's a better deal than changing dollars at the local banks which charge a fee of 3 to 4 percent for their services and often give you a louse exchange rate. However, a lot of small establishments and restaurants don't accept credit cards. <br /><br />Getting Mexican credit cards is somewhat of a hassle and the fees can be exorbitant—up to 30 and 40 percent APRs. We got one through a department store here, with an initial line of credit of only US$400, though they raised later to $800. We don't use it much unless there's a promotion at the department store that issued it. <br />We've talked about "going upstairs", because everyone goes there sooner or later, though for now we are healthy. But if there was some chronic health situation for one of us, we would have to return to the US if nothing else because of quality and cost of care (Medicare doesn't work here). Frankly, we haven't picked out a place in the U.S. Texas is closest but neither one of us likes the politics or the climate. Ditto for Florida. So who knows.<br /><br />Alalcubanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12667546605871850986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6672834250325632231.post-31660739475929985372015-06-16T10:21:19.825-05:002015-06-16T10:21:19.825-05:00Steve, you surprise me every time. Cleavon Little?...Steve, you surprise me every time. Cleavon Little? Didn't know you were African-American... Have you read about the (former) head of the Spokane NAACP? Her 'fro looks more authentic than yours. LOL<br />Despite all the protests by the politically correct gringos in SMA about cultural imperialism and multinationals, the local MacDonald's here is always mobbed by Mexicans (and some Americans who try to hang low). alcubanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12667546605871850986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6672834250325632231.post-4906486551490171082015-06-16T10:14:52.301-05:002015-06-16T10:14:52.301-05:00Where about in Ohio are you? You're right that...Where about in Ohio are you? You're right that contrary to the stereotypes of warmth etc., Smalltowns USA can be quite cold and standoffish if you don't blend in. <br /><br />alalcubanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12667546605871850986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6672834250325632231.post-11107407694884231892015-06-16T10:12:43.475-05:002015-06-16T10:12:43.475-05:00You make some excellent points, the most important...You make some excellent points, the most important I think is that San Miguel is its own biosphere, with expats here a self-selecting group many of whom are quite wealthy. Some residential sections in town are almost all-gringo and the homes palatial. There's even an A-list phenomenon among some of the gringos, who belong to some charities, one of them having a "formal attire" event sometime next week. Piss on that. <br /><br />San Miguel too historically has been very poor, something that's changing now that Queretaro, an hour away, is turning into a latter-day Monterrey, and some of the economic boom and industrial parks are spilling over our way. <br /><br />Chilangos flood the town every weekend with their credit cards and BMWs and pretty much stay to themselves. Indeed. SMA has become a hot spot for elaborately choreographed weddings for wealthy Chilangos. <br /><br />I'm very embarrassed to say, very embarrassed, that I don't know about your blog and therefore haven't read about Zacatecas. What's the address? <br /><br />Taking off Veracruz-way next week and staying for two nights at Tacotetlán, which looks interesting. <br /><br />Regards from el Barrio Chino de San Miguel. alcubanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12667546605871850986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6672834250325632231.post-58441206468604550462015-06-16T09:16:01.619-05:002015-06-16T09:16:01.619-05:00If you are tempted to try the new Burger King, ass...If you are tempted to try the new Burger King, assuming they have them on the menu, I recommend French Toast sticks and the hash brown taters, both ordered "extra crunchy." In the US they are served up to 10:30. And senior coffee, 79 cents here.<br /><br />Speaking of money: do you pay for everything in pesos? Do you have a Mexican bank account in pesos? Do you keep a dollar account someplace? Do most Gringos have dollar accounts in Mexico? Any Mexican credit cards in pesos?<br /><br />Have you given any thought to what you will do when one of you "goes upstairs"? Are you ex-pats forever?Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00159288023048032948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6672834250325632231.post-75517501476798404992015-06-16T07:54:34.779-05:002015-06-16T07:54:34.779-05:00Nice essay, as always. As for the Burger King, I ...Nice essay, as always. As for the Burger King, I occasionally stop at the one in Manzanillo during my infrequent trips there -- usually tied with a stop at the movie house. I have yet to see another northerner in there. The Home of the Whopper is filled with middle class Mexican children and the odd parent or two. But cultural mixing point? Hardly. When I walk in, I feel like Cleavon Little in <i>Blazing Saddles</i>.Steve Cottonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00468378507171761868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6672834250325632231.post-15296633973121386522015-06-16T06:12:21.437-05:002015-06-16T06:12:21.437-05:00In the little town I live in and the one I grew up...In the little town I live in and the one I grew up in here in Ohio, If your Great Grandparents did not live here then you are an outsider no matter how long you stay. normhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04651902762232427335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6672834250325632231.post-70495615651246882982015-06-15T20:53:17.626-05:002015-06-15T20:53:17.626-05:00This is a fascinating post to me, as it almost 100...This is a fascinating post to me, as it almost 100% contradicts my own experience in Mexico meeting Mexicans. True, I haven't lived there, but my gosh, I seem to be able to make Mexican friends easily wherever I go. Now, yes, some of it is superficial niceness, but I met and chatted with people all over the country during my big road trip. And while some of those chats were simply an hour in the plaza, others became more involved friendships, and others stayed in an in-between territory. Though we met via blog, I'd count Tino of elbibis.blogspot.com as one of my closer friends, and he was born and bred in Monterrey. And I'm still close to Edgar, though we aren't BFs any more. <br /><br />And when F, my Mexican, Defeño, BF, and I were together, I was just like another Mexican, in terms of being invited along to events, parties and dinners in peoples' houses, etc. But I do speak Spanish fluently, and even when I didn't, I made every effort including carrying an electronic bilingual dictionary with me at all times, something F used to make fun of from time to time.<br /><br />But I think what you are observing may well be somewhat SMA-specific. My observation is that in SMA, gringos are generally better-heeled, even by USA standards, and in contrast, the Mexicans seem to be a little more hardscrabble. There don't seem to be the kinds of career opportunities you see in the larger cities, or even mid-size places like Querétaro, San Luis Potosí, or Aguascaliente with their burgeoning factory sectors. Nor is there a major university in SMA. And the upper-class Defeños who spend weekends in SMA can be kind of snooty too, which probably adds to the natives' sense of needing to maintain distance with outsiders.<br /><br />So add to the language and cultural divide a big class divide. And then the sheer numbers of gringos also create a well-formed image of gringos in the local SMA mind: gringos are rich; they don't speak Spanish; they keep to themselves and are thus very much "the other." This also probably helps to perpetuate the divide. <br /><br />The fact is that y'all pretty much live in Chinatown there in SMA, but it's you who are now the Chinese. It's not too surprising there's such a divide. I wonder how much of such a divide I'd experience somewhere else. Did you see my post on my Zacatecas real estate fantasy?<br /><br />Saludos,<br /><br />Kim G<br />Boston, MA<br /><i>Which can be a pretty stand-offish town itself.</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com